This is the text of a letter I have sent to the Prime Minister and which will be referenced in national media tomorrow.
Recognising the complexities of such matters and the difficult role of the Prime Minister in them, I wrote the letter as a constructive stimulus to discussion of the wider questions provoked by what is happening in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere. Attempting to fix the immediate will prove costly in every respect, if we don't have a long-term, overarching and holistic vision for what we – along with other governments, agencies and partners (such as the churches) – need to achieve. The lack of clarity about such a comprehensive and coherent vision is being commonly remarked upon, and my letter seeks concisely and respectfully to elicit some response to these serious questions.
Dear Prime Minister,
Iraq and IS
I am conscious of the speed at which events are moving in Iraq and Syria, and write recognising the complexity and interconnectedness of the challenges faced by the international community in responding to the crises in Syria and Iraq.
However, in common with many bishops and other correspondents here in the UK, I remain very concerned about the Government’s response to several issues. I write with the support of the Archbishop of Canterbury to put these questions to you.
1. It appears that, in common with the United States and other partners, the UK is responding to events in a reactive way, and it is difficult to discern the strategic intentions behind this approach. Please can you tell me what is the overall strategy that holds together the UK Government’s response to both the humanitarian situation and what IS is actually doing in Syria and Iraq? Behind this question is the serious concern that we do not seem to have a coherent or comprehensive approach to Islamist extremism as it is developing across the globe. Islamic State, Boko Haram and other groups represent particular manifestations of a global phenomenon, and it is not clear what our broader global strategy is – particularly insofar as the military, political, economic and humanitarian demands interconnect. The Church internationally must be a primary partner in addressing this complexity.
2. The focus by both politicians and media on the plight of the Yezidis has been notable and admirable. However, there has been increasing silence about the plight of tens of thousands of Christians who have been displaced, driven from cities and homelands, and who face a bleak future. Despite appalling persecution, they seem to have fallen from consciousness, and I wonder why. Does your Government have a coherent response to the plight of these huge numbers of Christians whose plight appears to be less regarded than that of others? Or are we simply reacting to the loudest media voice at any particular time?
3. As yet, there appears to have been no response to pleas for asylum provision to be made for those Christians (and other minorities) needing sanctuary from Iraq in the UK. I recognise that we do not wish to encourage Christians or other displaced and suffering people to leave their homeland – the consequences for those cultures and nations would be extremely detrimental at every level – but for some of them this will be the only recourse. The French and German governments have already made provision, but there has so far been only silence from the UK Government. Therefore, I ask for a response to the question of whether there is any intention to offer asylum to Iraqi migrants (as part of a holistic strategy to addressing the challenges of Iraq)?
4. Following on from this, I note that the Bishop of Coventry tabled a series of questions to HM Government in the House of Lords on Monday 28 July. All but two were answered on Monday 11 August. The outstanding questions included the following: “The Lord Bishop of Coventry to ask Her Majesty’s Government what consideration they have given to resettling here in the UK a fair proportion of those displaced from ISIS controlled areas of Northern Iraq.” I would be grateful to know why this question has not so far been answered – something that causes me and colleagues some concern.
5. Underlying these concerns is the need for reassurance that a commitment to religious freedom will remain a priority for the Government, given the departure of ministers who championed this. Will the Foreign Secretary's Human Rights Advisory Panel continue under the new Foreign Secretary? Is this not the time to appoint an Ambassador at Large for International Religious Freedom – which would demonstrate the Government’s serious commitment to developing an overarching strategy (backed by expertise) against Islamist extremism and violence?.
I look forward to your considered response to these pressing questions.
Yours sincerely,
The Rt Revd Nicholas Baines (The Bishop of Leeds)
August 16, 2014 at 9:30 pm
thank you +Nick
August 16, 2014 at 10:05 pm
Well said; thank you. Too much Western foreign policy is driven by self-interest and Iraq and Syria are no exceptions.
I am awaiting a reply from my MP asking that Britain should offer asylum to to those driven from their homes.
August 16, 2014 at 10:19 pm
I am grateful for this letter and look forward to any response the Prime Minister may send.
Re: your point 1 on Islamic extremism, I think the conversation needs to be broadened to think about the way state weakness contributes to the success of these movements. IS and Boko Haram succeed in part because they tap into latent grievances with the existing power structures in Iraq, Nigeria, etc. There are other examples of this, too, e.g. Mali, Yemen.
I’m skeptical of what western governments can do to address Islamic extremism. I have more hope of what they can do to help strengthen governance across the globe.
Of course, I know there’s only so much you can say in a single letter without detracting from its overall (spot-on) focus.
August 16, 2014 at 11:00 pm
Thank you for writing so clearly and for asking these important questions. I have just heard about the letter on SKY News Press Review, and am glad to see the text in its entirety.
August 16, 2014 at 11:32 pm
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Dear Rt Rev Baines
Thank you for your timely letter. As you correctly point out, we have much work to do to answer your questions. The Church should be our partner and we invite you to stand with us at elections, campaigning, etc and answerable always to the electorate. Division of Church and State – all over as far as we’re concerned.
Yours sincerely,
Government
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If Islamic extremism is such a concern why have your government, your media and many of your citizens been so quick to demonize and weaken Israel’s response to the terror created by Hamas, albeit a less violent incarnation than ISIS, but just as committed to the genocide of the Jews and the creation of a panArab caliphate across the Middle East and Africa?
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Thank you Bishop Baines. We are praying alongside. There is no justification for such rampant tyranny in any case and certainly not in the name of God. But the overt destruction to defenceless and peaceful Christians cannot continue without coherent response. Persecution unto death is being waged before the world’s eyes: convert or be killed. Rescue and refuge needs to be part of this response while the answer to the terrorist regimes’ political objectives is being worked out alongside.
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August 17, 2014 at 6:42 am
Good letter but why only prompted by concern for Iraqi Christians? It would have been good to have had a letter recently regarding the humanitarian situation in Gaza and the Government’s uncritical policy toward the State of Israel which I believe also fosters jihadist fundamentalism.
August 17, 2014 at 7:01 am
Excellent letter. Glad to see Leeds’ has a voice..and an eloquent and humanitarian one
at that. Well said.
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Reblogged this on hungarywolf and commented:
Thanks, Nick. I support your initiative, and can!t believe that nothing has yet been done to stop the advance of the Islamist (not Islamic) terrorists by arming the Kurds and setting up Refugee Reception Centres in Kurdish-controlled Iraq. If ever there were a just cause, this is surely it, as the defence of the Kurds themselves against Sadam Hussein was in the first Gulf War. Personally, I think it would be better (from their point of view) to seek to resettle the refugees within the ‘safe’ areas of Northern Iraq, which is why these must be established first through military action on the ground. Also need to keep up the pressure on Baghdad, otherwise it too will fall.
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Thank you Bishop Baines. We are praying alongside. There is no justification for rampant tyranny in any case and certainly not in the name of God. But the overt destruction of defenceless and peaceful Christians cannot continue without coherent response. Persecution unto death is being waged before the world’s eyes: convert or be killed. Rescue and refuge needs to be part of this response while the answer to the terrorist regimes’ political objectives is being worked out alongside
August 17, 2014 at 9:08 am
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August 17, 2014 at 9:16 am
Dear Bishop
Might I respectfully suggest that the Anglican Bishops hold an emergency meeting to discuss and determine what strategy they might fully support. This could be summarised and passed to the government and made available to all church members also for prayerful support.
In these circumstances no one is an expert- we have not had to deal with this kind of situation at a global level before. It is in many ways no wonder that the government is reactive and most of us have been taken by surprise at the speed of change in Iraq and Syria. There have been many voices warning of the pernicious effect of Islamic fundamentalism for many years and the way it so warps the mind as to induce suicide bombings and a delight in inflicting carnage. Thousands have converted from militant Islam too. What seems to be impossible to assess is how to support the aims and aspirations of moderate muslims in these troubled regions when the Islamic world itself is so divided.
As a christian with muslim friends who teach that jihad is the war against evil in oneself I would love to see the church take some kind of leadership in this area. To acknowledge perhaps:
1 We are all before God, sinners in need of redemption- tarnished with the same brush
2 The Anglican church is a place for God’s redemptive activity. It is there to welcome all and exclude only those who want to be excluded. Muslims and members of other religions are our friends not our enemies.
3 We offer support to all muslims who disavow violence as a means to establishing any kind of control over others.
4 We offer support to political parties that have policies which are based on democratic principles and are manifestly just.
5 We stand against any form of nationalism which excludes or seeks to oppress or dominate minority ethnic groups.
6 We will not support political parties which are based on membership of a branch of any religion.
7 We will not support the establishment of legal systems which are controlled by a political or religious agenda.
8 We oppose injustice, unfairness, and the use of physical violence as a method of coercion in all its myriad forms. ( This include FGM, the exclusion of women from education and preferential treatment for men )
9 We will not support the use of torture for any reason in any circumstance.
10 We support our government in a reasonable and limited use of trade embargoes, isolation, exclusion, or force where necessary to oppose blatant terrorism and violations to the property or territory of others. This is in order to establish or sustain legitimate governance and the rule of law, and where supported by international agreement.
11 As fellow christians we offer our utmost support for persecuted christians where they are faced with the threat and reality of discrimination and violence.
Perhaps this is all too late and too anodyne
How one turns this into any kind of political strategy I haven’t a clue, as strategy implies some kind of vested interest in an outcome.
Your sincerely
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Sir
This is a wonderful letter that really gets to the nub of the issue with our government’s response to Islamic extremism – utterly reactive, without any clear strategy and, I’m afraid, totally ineffectual.
David Cameron’s piece in The Telegraph today is more empty rhetoric. He is talking tough but his actions do not follow. The least we owe those poor people trapped in the mountains is some kind of rescue and relief mission, but we just watch from the sidelines twiddling our thumbs while people get massacred.
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August 17, 2014 at 10:16 am
An excellent letter, Nick. I shall be very interested to learn what response you received from the PM. I hope that the response will be more than empty rhetoric!
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Dear Rt Rev Baines,
Thank you for a timely and much needed letter which sums up so much of importance. I only hope that we see a meaningful and positive response from Mr Cameron and not the usual political propaganda, full of his favourite cliches that we are so used to.
August 17, 2014 at 11:07 am
James
There is only one thing that I am intolerant of and that is intolerance.
It only takes good men to do nothing for evil to triumph.
August 17, 2014 at 11:22 am
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August 17, 2014 at 1:00 pm
A Ambassador at Large for International Religious Freedom would have much to deal with apart from Islamic Extremism. It may be a mistake to separate this from a broader commitment to human rights. Perhaps what we need is a junior minister?
August 17, 2014 at 1:11 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 2:17 pm
Thank you so much for this letter – so much that needed to be said. Beyond belief how we can stand idly by when our brother and sisters in Christ, and in humanity, are being cruelly murdered.
August 17, 2014 at 2:17 pm
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Many thanks Bishop for this helpful intervention
August 17, 2014 at 3:40 pm
Thank you, Nick.
August 17, 2014 at 3:40 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 4:24 pm
Sir ,
As an Israeli I am amazed that somebody has woken up finally to the plight of Christians in the Arab world. There used to be thousands of Jews living in these areas luckily they now live in Israel even if it is under Hamas rockets.
ISIS , the Islamic Brotherhood, Hamas are all the same thing.
For 60 years Islam (Palestinian Freedom Fighters) have been attacking Israel. This has distracted them from the real issues in the Arab world how they hate different sects Sunni /Shiite/ Salafist/Christians , different clans,families etc. Finally they have put the issue of Israel on the back burner and are doing what Arab historically always did, start killing each other again.
Hamas attacking Israel is exactly the same as ISIS attacking Christians.
August 17, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 4:46 pm
I note that my earlier comment today at 12:04 has been ‘moderated’ out. It was quite polite although I clearly do not agree with you. I find it interesting that you preach high moral standards and yet practice censorship. I call that hypocrisy.
August 17, 2014 at 4:49 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 5:05 pm
I look forward to your apology. I never “censor” comments, even when they are plainly mad. I approved your comment along with every other one as soon as I saw it.
August 17, 2014 at 5:12 pm
I will apologise IF it’s appropriate. So where did my comment go then? It’s not here now and it was definitely moderated. I have a screen capture to prove it.
And if you really don’t censor comments then why is moderation enabled in the first place? And I’m not mad for disagreeing with you. I just disagree.
August 17, 2014 at 5:30 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 5:34 pm
Dioclese, I checked before I replied to you and I approved your comment along with all others. I moderate simply because there are mad people who write stuff that will make me liable if I publish them. But, I never censor and never moderate out comments that oppose or disagree.
And I didn’t say your comment was mad.
August 17, 2014 at 5:35 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 5:37 pm
I am forced to repeat the question : “So where did my comment go then?”
August 17, 2014 at 5:39 pm
diocese, it is there! I have just checked again. I am not a technician, but it is there under my “approved comments”.
August 17, 2014 at 5:49 pm
If you say so. It’s not on this screen – although all my others are. I have no reason to disbelieve you when you say you approved it, but on this screen in these comments it is not…
Admittedly, computers do strange things sometimes so I will give you the benefit of the doubt. ( I still disagree with you, though )
August 17, 2014 at 6:36 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 7:42 pm
Their is a no win situation here. I doubt that any western state can resolve the situation. The people of the Middle East have a poor record when it comes to freedom, democracy, civil rights or peacekeeping. All we get from the Middle East is dispute after dispute, war after war.
What coherent plan of action would the church consider? Humanitarian or military action?
August 17, 2014 at 8:04 pm
In many ways Isis are comparable to the Nazis. They are invasive, discriminative, totalitarian and committing murder of innocent people. Surely an all out war against them is inevitable.
August 17, 2014 at 8:25 pm
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August 17, 2014 at 8:40 pm
This link on Utube are the words that Islamist fascism has been saying very clearly for years and nobody has taken them seriously untill now.
August 17, 2014 at 9:32 pm
Dear Rev Baines, I totally agree with you. I live in central London and this Saturday was quiet unique in that there was no large demonstration going on about Gaza. Where were the large crowds of people marching about what is happening to Christians and other minority faiths??? I would love to see the archbishop and other leading Christian figures unite just so as to lead a march down whitehall to Hyde Park. I am not a christian
myself but my wife is and others I know would join the march. The christian faith in England needs to show leadership and I find it terribly disappointing that no large demo has been organized to show Christians and other minority faiths in the middle east they are not forgotten.
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August 18, 2014 at 6:57 am
It is entirely logical that David Cameron has turned his back on Iraq’s Christians. The Conservative Party are a glove puppet show run by the Saudis and that places David Cameron and the Conservative Party on the same side as ISIS.
August 18, 2014 at 9:45 am
A voice from Southwark (Pat Logan) says:
1.Surely the situation is urgent – and complex – enough to demand a RECALL OF PARLIAMENT. The FT had a string editorial leader on this recently. Maybe a word from concerned bishops could help???
2. Not sure about the idea of an Ambassador at Large for International Religious Freedom but those pressing for such a post should be careful not to give the impression that it is simply about Muslims persecuting Christians, when there are places where Muslims are on the receiving end, as in India and Myanmar.
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I have been emailing Lambeth Palace the Prime Minister’s office and my MP for the last couple of months on this issue, and receiving the standard platitudes of how delicate the situation is etc. That the ArchBishop has ‘tweeted’ on the issue was about as reassuring as it got.
It is therefore gratifying to see that some parts of the Church leadership still function. Personally I believe the Church should be making a firm stand in support of our Christian brethren who are being persecuted, executed, decapitated or forced to convert.
If one compares for example the freedoms and opportunities afforded Pakistani immigrants to our post Christian nation and contrasts that with the abuse and degradation and slave like conditions of Christian families forced to make mud bricks day in day out; it is clear that there is a serious inbalance which our government could rectify or at least modify by judicious use of overseas aid and other financial/practical help to that nation.
If we of the Christian community in a currently free nation will not stand up in the name of Our Lord and protest, then not only are we failing in our Christian responsibility, we are giving tacit consent to their abusers to carry on.
August 18, 2014 at 3:47 pm
Oh dear!
Where did all these comments come from?
https://nickbaines.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/letter-to-government/#comment-42166
Have your site been hacked Nick? Nothing to do with no 10 I hope!
August 18, 2014 at 6:54 pm
William, these situations are more nuanced than sometimes appears to be the case. The Archbishop gets inundated every day with requests, demands and so on, and cannot respond to everything. But, I can assure you: points made in correspondence are taken on board – especially where they are made by many voices.
August 18, 2014 at 7:28 pm
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August 18, 2014 at 8:35 pm
Nick,
Re the nuancing, yes I accept that in some cases delicacy and diplomacy is necessary. What I can’t accept is the failure of Justin Welby to give a clear, non aggressive, non accusatory lead, encouraging Christians in the Cof E to get involved in helping and supporting Christians overseas and others who are here and now being murdered.
If you take a look around on the blogosphere you will find lots of UK based Muslim organisations urging British Muslims to help their brethren overseas. Some websites are encouraging young Muslims to leave Britain and fight for Islam.
If Muslim groups can promote their causes why does our support need “nuancing?”
Perhaps because it might be regarded as ‘inflammatory’ or ‘racist’?
I don’t get it, and if as a Church we are going to speak with one voice (however ‘nuanced!’) then the ArchBishop needs to exert some leadership and guidance. If he did that I and others wouldn’t have to send quite so many letters and emails!
Did you see for example Reverend Julian Mann’s article on Conservative Home?
http://www.conservativehome.com/platform/2014/08/julian-mann-prosecuting-galloway-for-hate-speech-would-be-a-threat-to-freedom-in-the-uk.html
We need to see some muscular Christianity that is not afraid to speak out on sometimes contentious issues,
Unfortunately what I see all too often is the forthright denunciation of benefit changes, and championing the rights of the (often relatively) poor in this country, yet nothing much about the treatment of the reallyy poor and very persecuted Christians overseas!
Come on Nick are we called to be a Church full of bellringers and handwringers or Christians who love and stand up for righteousness?
August 18, 2014 at 8:46 pm
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August 20, 2014 at 1:39 pm
Blogg No. 110 by keith lebhan , is the sentiment that I fully support. Where is a concrete show of support for Christians and minorities in the Middle East. Islamists in London are the only one getting support in marches.
August 20, 2014 at 10:16 pm
It seems to me that our church leadership has engaged in well intentioned dialogues with various Muslim groups within the UK, but there is no public condemnation from any of these groups as regards the ill treatment and murder of Christians and other minorities in Islamic nations, especially under the Islamic State,,
Why the silence?
August 21, 2014 at 10:41 am
For years Church of England bishops had preferred to bury their head in the sand in the face of the persecution of Christians in Islamic countries. I contacted Lambeth palace when Rowan Williams was Archbishop to query the defining silence by him when a man in Pakistan was sentenced to death for apostate. Italy stepped in to secure the man safe passage. The Church has lacked the will to speak out for Christians world-wide as they become more pre-occupied with the relative pettiness of local politics.
August 21, 2014 at 12:26 pm
It seems to me that Christian Church leaders such as bishops and leaders of other denominations need to have a global meeting to decide on a strategy and feasibility of the logistics of how to organise asylum for the persecuted and displaced Christians in Iraq, Syria, Gaza and other trouble spots. There needs to be a concerted approach and a team of countries offering places for them to go to. These could be provided by volunteer households and Christian Communities, monasteries, convents etc. across the world. Of course if is not always the solution to evacuate them and for this we need to pray for wisdom. Our Lord said, ” Feed my sheep”.
August 21, 2014 at 4:45 pm
Anyone who wants to read a good novel on life in this affected region of Iraq should read
My Fathers Paradise by Ariel Sabar 2008, 328pg
This is an extremely well written biographical novel on the minorities who spoke Aramaic in that part of the world despite the Islamic conquest a thousand years before.
August 21, 2014 at 7:33 pm
Thomas Cooke
I remember that case. I remember also a programme we watched about the Pakistani legal system pertaining to criminality and jails. and thinking how really odd -illogical even, it all seemed.
I was brought up to respect all faiths. I know that there are plenty of decent traditional Muslims across the world.
The debate has to be about whether Islam itsself encourages the idea of Jihad, FMG, pre pubescent marriage, honour killings and so on.. I assume that most Muslims who have chosen to come and live here do so because as a Christian nation we believe in freedom of faith and individuality. We no longer wish to kill another person because their beliefs are different to our own.
The Lord I worship was not /is not, a pink and fluffy all inclusive non judgemental liberal. As Christians we are required to stand up against evil , to be salt and light in the world, and all in humility and love… 🙂
A tall order indeed.
Handwringing and sweet smiles is one option I suppose, but not an option that other people tend to respect.
August 21, 2014 at 9:22 pm
Reblogged this on St. Aidan's Anglican Church.
August 22, 2014 at 1:25 pm
Valerie,
I certainly agree that we should being doing more in a concerted and guided way to help our Christian brothers and sisters overseas. I know that there are other Christian groups actively involved, but where is our state church in all of this?
I am a member of our pcc, our deanery and diocesan synod rep, and active in the community. Members of the laity do these things because we believe and wish to serve the Lord through the Church. If we are going to maintain our hierarchical system of spiritual authority then we need to see that there is wise and robust leadership that inspires and leads us in discipleship and service.
Otherwise, what’s it for?
August 22, 2014 at 5:09 pm
USA Army chief, Gen Martin Dempsey, in his remarks reported today are very pertinent to the prophetic Scriptures virtually ignored by the Church for best part of a century.
The Historicist School of prophetic interpretation with respect to the Apocalypse, believed by all the Reformers, in Revelation 16:13 reveals that the unclean spirit comes out of the mouth of the false prophet of the Islamic cult, which was first revealed in Revelation 9:11 emanating from the ‘bottomless pit’ under the Saracen Woe.
Sep 13 2014 next month will be 13 years from 9/11 – 13 being the number particularly linked to significant events for the United States of America.
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News report Aug 22 2014:
Dempsey hits Islamic militant ‘end-of-days’ vision
(AP) — America’s top-ranked military officer says the surging Islamic State group has an “apocalyptic, end-of-days strategic vision” in the Middle East and cannot be defeated unless the United States and a coalition of partners confront it head-on in Syria.
“They can be contained, not in perpetuity,” Army Gen. Martin Dempsey, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told a news conference.
August 24, 2014 at 1:34 pm
Michael,
I’m not sure that prophecy is the major issue here. I was brought up in a church that tackled that subject with enthusiasm, but fortunately also kept its eyes on the central tenets of the faith.
I believe each generation of Christians is called to discipleship and worship. To manifest the fruits and giftys of the Holy Spirit, and to be both salt and light in their society. We should be taking every opportunity to share the Gospel in every context; both personal and communal and political. This is what we are called to be.
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