Tomorrow the Radio Times will publish an interview with presenters of the BBC Radio 4 Today Programme in which they dismiss as “boring” the Thought for the Day contributions that are introduced around 7.45am each morning. The Telegraph has a piece, but it has already been leaked on Twitter and in the Guardian.
What is disturbing about the reported comments by the presenters is the staggering ignorance of what the slot is about. Set aside the arrogance that dismisses religious perspectives as irrelevant – rooted in assumptions that a five year old could drive an intellectual coach and horses through – and we are still left with questions.
I declare an interest. I do Thought for the Day from time to time. The script had to be written the day before and should be topical – which in today’s fast-moving media world is challenging. The script had to be complied before it can be delivered the following morning. Sometimes it had to be amended at the last minute; sometimes a script had to be scrapped and a new one written quickly because of ‘events’.
Thought for the Day is not about privileging religious nutcases in order to appease an irrelevant subculture in the face of a BBC public service remit. It is also not about presenting religious views or views about religion. It is all about looking at the world through a religious lens, opening up perspectives that subvert the unconscious (or conscious) prejudices about why the world is the way it is – shining a different light on world events that the unargued for and unarticulated secular humanist assumptions undergirding the rest of the programme miss.
Underlying the protests against Thought for the Day (so hackneyed they are in themselves boring to anyone with a brain) is what I call the ‘myth of neutrality’. I am embarrassed to have to say it again. This myth, so effortlessly held by so many, is that there is a neutral space held by secular humanists, leaving those who have a religious world view somewhere up the loony scale. According to this assumption, a religious world view is so odd that it is potentially dangerous and has no place in the public square it should be imprisoned in the sphere of the ‘private’.
But, why is the secular humanist world view to be privileged as ‘neutral’? It isn’t.
Thought for the Day is a bold resistance to this nonsense. If we are no good at it, fire us, ruthlessly. But, then get in people who can do a better job at revealing the world and its events through the lens of a religious world view that challenges the easy and lazy assumptions of those who think their lens is either self-evidently true or neutral.
Over 85% of the world’s population hold an individual or social/communal religious commitment. In order to understand the world, we need to look through their eyes. This isn’t about proselytism, it is about something far more important: understanding and mutual coexistence.
October 30, 2017 at 9:58 pm
Hi Nick.
I’m trying to work out why you feel so indignant on this. Is it that the Today presenters feel as they do about TFTD (and you wish they felt differently), or because they told the truth about their feelings?
Thanks.
October 30, 2017 at 10:01 pm
Their feelings are mixed, but sometimes obvious. This simply focuses a deeper and longer debate about the assumptions that underlie journalistic approaches to news.
October 30, 2017 at 10:23 pm
Well said Nick! Actually, I often switch on radio at 7.45 just in order to listen to some sanity – and switch off afterwards. Lavinia
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October 30, 2017 at 11:22 pm
Thanks for this Nick.
I feel we should complain
October 30, 2017 at 11:24 pm
I’m still a little confused by it all, but I do appreciate you taking the time to reply.
All the best.
October 31, 2017 at 1:34 am
I simply do not believe you when you say this is not about proselytising. When you are on (no more or less vacuous than most of the contributors) I always think of you as one of the many bigots that tried to deny me my human right to marry my husband.
I do not want to hear a religious point of view on a news programme. A large percentage of the world may hold to religious beliefs (especially in countries where the standard of education is lower). But the majority of the people of this country have no religious belief and have no interest in hearing your views, especially as religion fuels homophobia.
If you want to preach, do it in church, or write to the Times, or publish a pamphlet. But I (and I am quite sure the majority of the educated audience of R4) have no interest in listening to you.
October 31, 2017 at 5:44 am
I have never had the impression that THTD is about proselytism. It is simply another viewpoint, filtered through a different lens that can make someone pause and think differently about a wider societal matter, or about something they had never thought of before. Having read George Monbiot’s books and thoughts in “Out Of The Wreckage”, about the politics of belonging, I would say that TFTD contributes to the politics of belonging.
October 31, 2017 at 6:00 am
I find it thought provoking. Presenters give a world view with a different slant not seen elsewhere. That’s interesting. I haven’t noticed any of the presenters trying to recruit listeners to their religion. Just explaining how they see events.
October 31, 2017 at 6:24 am
In a similar manner, secular viewpoints, like the ones Monbiot discusses and debates, and Kate Raworth too, in Doughnut Economics, contribute to Kingdom building. Monbiot discusses his latest book:
Raworth on Doughnuts:
https://www.kateraworth.com/doughnut/
She will be giving a talk on her subject 6 December, at the School of Earth and Environment, Univetof Leeds.
October 31, 2017 at 7:12 am
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October 31, 2017 at 7:47 am
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06/12/2017, University of Leeds, School of Earth and Environment, a talk about economics that are regenerative and distributive by design, economics in service to life, all life.
October 31, 2017 at 8:09 am
It would be good to express some of these thoughts on your next ‘Thought for the day’!
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October 31, 2017 at 8:47 am
Da iawn, hear hear – we all need to here different perspectives on life on this earth if we are to understand others and not be trapped in our own narrow mindedness and limited life experience.
October 31, 2017 at 9:02 am
Harry, have you read the article at all? One of Nick’s points is that an non-religious point of view is also just a point of view. It’s a fallacy to think that religious views are not appropriate in the public square.
October 31, 2017 at 9:08 am
Well said.
October 31, 2017 at 9:56 am
Reblogged this on hungarywolf.
October 31, 2017 at 10:07 am
“It is also not about presenting religious views … It is all about looking at the world through a religious lens.”
Hard to understand how the latter can be achieved without it being the former.
October 31, 2017 at 10:51 am
‘You might as well have suggested assassinating the pope’ – this or words to that effect is what I recall ‘Today’ saying some years ago, in response to audience reaction to the notion TFTD should be scrapped. There’s clearly plenty of support for it out there in the wider populace, perhaps to some of the Today presenters’ bemusement.
October 31, 2017 at 5:23 pm
Nick Baines has said something hugely important here and said it very well. The attitude of some media people is poisoning public debate because they speak from a very narrow world view in which only the sophisticated elite have the answers. Most people, even if they are not religious practitioners, know that their experience demands more than purely rational answers. They know that in the human make up there is a whole mix of things which reach beyond the rational and which are very important to them. First thing in the day is a good time to be reminded of this because for us all this is important and relevant news.
October 31, 2017 at 8:50 pm
Today was good. But it is generally pretty dry and dire.
October 31, 2017 at 10:46 pm
In the US we would call it thinking theologically. That’s what TFTD can add to the morning news show.
November 1, 2017 at 5:00 pm
Thanks for this. I don’t always like Thought for the Day but it almost always me think and is welcome respite from the often relentless posturing that is the political interview.
We need to expand our thinking not shrink it. Definitely keep TFTD and a good range of contributors.
November 1, 2017 at 5:22 pm
Bravo!
November 3, 2017 at 2:06 am
@Derek. I replied to your comment. But it seems tjat the reply was censored.
November 3, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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November 3, 2017 at 4:21 pm
I’m so glad you wrote this. Its just how I feel. Your piece has prompted me to write something, in a slightly more light-hearted vein, which you can read here:
https://malcolmguite.wordpress.com/2017/11/03/gkc-on-thought-for-the-day/
November 3, 2017 at 6:09 pm
Perhaps the most important portion of using a theological world view to frame issues is the acknowledgement that people always operate from a particular world view, and that no world view is neutral. Those realities are largely denied through the world view of post-modernism.
November 3, 2017 at 6:17 pm
I imagine the TFTD presenters are a bit bleary-eyed by 11 minutes to 8, and they can’t switch the sound off (unlike us) or they’d miss their next cue. But even so it seems narrow-minded to dismiss all the speakers as boring.
November 3, 2017 at 6:54 pm
Harry, I only censor if it is racist, homophonic or otherwise actionable. I have not received your response to Derek. If I was that sensitive, I wouldn’t have published your comment in the first place. I did.
November 4, 2017 at 10:02 am
The rest of the Today programme provides views from the secular, political, financial, sporting etc etc worlds. All the commentators opine from a particular stance, so why should faith be the one which is denied a position among all the other lenses through which the news is heard
November 4, 2017 at 7:39 pm
Hi Hillmansac
I think good journalism regarding the topics you mention at least tries to adopt a neutral and objective stance, so I might contest whether a presenter is adopting a ‘stance’ when reporting the football results, or a natural tragedy, an interest rate change, or an election result etc. Of course plenty of journalism is stance-taking.
But anyway, I was more interested in your question about why faith should be denied a position? My thought was that it shouldn’t, but it made me wonder who thought it should?
Thanks.
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